Now Reddit Investors Are Talking About Targeting Silver, And That Could Change EVERYTHING

For decades, the big fish on Wall Street have been able to do virtually anything that they want, but now the small fish are fighting back and it has been a beautiful thing to watch.  Finally it is payback time, and the losses have been absolutely staggering.  In fact, Reuters is reporting that short sellers have lost more than 70 BILLION dollars so far this year.  But nobody should be crying for the short sellers.  As Charles Payne pointed out during an epic rant on Fox Business, the short sellers have ruthlessly crushed countless businesses over the years, and they did so without showing any mercy whatsoever.

So now the big hedge funds want mercy themselves?

It’s not likely to happen.

After sending GameStop, AMC and other beleaguered stocks into the stratosphere, now investors on Reddit are talking about going after a really huge whale.

The silver market is perfectly primed for an epic short squeeze, and a coordinated assault by retail investors could make it happen.

The following is an excerpt from the post on the “WallStreetBets” Reddit subgroup that everyone is talking about

The silver futures market has oscillated between having roughly 100-1 and 500-1 ratio of paper traded silver to physical silver, but lets call it 250-1 for now. This means that for every 250 ounces in open interest in the futures market, only 1 actually gets delivered. Most traders would rather settle with cash rather than take delivery of thousands of ounces of silver and have to figure out to store and transport it in the future.

The people naked shorting silver via the futures markets are a couple of large banks and making them pay dearly for their over leveraged naked shorts would be incredible. It’s not Melvin capital on the other side of this trade, its JP Morgan. Time to get some payback for the bailouts and manipulation they’ve done for decades (look up silver manipulation fines that JPM has paid over the years).

The way the squeeze could occur is by forcing a much higher percentage of the futures contracts to actually deliver physical silver. There is very little silver in the COMEX vaults or available to actually be use to deliver, and if they have to start buying en masse on the open market they will drive the price massively higher. There is no way to magically create more physical silver in the world that is ready to be delivered. With a stock you can eventually just issue more shares if the price rises too much, but this simply isn’t the case here. The futures market is kind of the wild west of the financial world. Real commodities are being traded, and if you are short, you literally have to deliver thousands of ounces of silver per contract if the holder on the other side demands it. If you remember oil going negative back in May, that was possible because futures are allowed to trade to their true value. They aren’t halted and that’s what will make this so fun when the true squeeze happens.

That post has already been upvoted more than 9,400 times, and it appears that a consensus is building that this is going to be the next big thing after the raid on GameStop short sellers is done.

On Thursday, the price of gold was up 4.5 percent in anticipation that something might happen, and much of that price movement was apparently caused by short sellers that feverishly rushed to close their positions

“After watching GameStop (NYSE:GME) and other shorts getting blasted, rumours that silver could be targeted has traders preemptively covering shorts just in case,” said Tai Wong, a trader at investment bank BMO in New York.

As Eric King has pointed out, if Reddit investors really do decide to go all-in on silver, they could do some serious damage…

“Chris, I just calculated the last 4 trading days in GameStop (GME) in dollar terms and it totals $82.3 billion. I think annual silver production is roughly 1 billion ounces and at current prices that would total about $25 billion. That means yesterday’s trading volume in GameStop of $29.9 billion would have purchased more than the entire annual silver mine production! And the last 4 trading days in GameStop ($82.3 billion in dollar terms) would have purchased more than a staggering 3-times the entire annual global silver mine production! This type of buying would obviously create one hell of a violent short squeeze in the silver market.”

Of course the other side doesn’t exactly play fair.

On Thursday, Robinhood and other trading platforms suddenly restricted trading in some of the key stocks that retail investors have been targeting

Shares of AMC Entertainment Holdings, BlackBerry Ltd., Bed Bath & Beyond Inc., Express Inc., GameStop Corp., Koss Corp., Naked Brand Group and Nokia Corp. have been restricted to “position closing only,” Robinhood said in a blog post.

The decision means traders cannot initiate new positions in shares of those companies and can only sell existing holdings. The company also raised margin requirements for certain securities.

There are allegations that Robinhood and other trading platforms were persuaded to shut down trading in those stocks by the big fish on Wall Street, but Robinhood and the other trading platforms are denying this.

And Robinhood is also denying that it forced some users to suddenly dump their shares in GameStop and other key stocks

No, Robinhood tells The Verge, it didn’t sell off full shares of GameStop, AMC, and other buzzy stocks without permission from its traders.

That contradicts the stories of twelve people who spoke with The Verge, saying that the app unexpectedly sold off their holdings in some of these companies. Quite a number of Robinhood users expressed their surprise on social media today that the app was selling off their stakes, and we tracked down a dozen of them. These traders didn’t believe they had prompted the sales, and they said they weren’t aware of anything on their account that would have automatically triggered them.

Hopefully authorities will investigate and get to the bottom of what actually happened.

At this point, Robinhood has already been slapped with two lawsuits because of what took place on Thursday…

Two Robinhood users filed separate lawsuits against the brokerage app Thursday after it and other apps restricted trading of certain securities.

The first lawsuit filed in the Southern District Court of New York alleges that Robinhood “purposefully, willingly, and knowingly” restricted certain securities transactions, including GameStop. The other filed in the Northern District Court of Illinois alleges that the app manipulated its platform.

And it is being reported that the House and the Senate will both be holding hearings on the matter…

The U.S. House Financial Services and Senate Banking committees said on Thursday they will hold hearings on the stock market after users of investment apps faced trading limits following the “Reddit rally” that put a charge into GameStop and other volatile stocks that were touted in online forums.

“We must deal with the hedge funds whose unethical conduct directly led to the recent market volatility and we must examine the market in general and how it has been manipulated by hedge funds and their financial partners to benefit themselves while others pay the price,” said Representative Maxine Waters, a Democrat who heads the House panel.

After everything that just went down, I don’t know how Robinhood is going to survive.

There are also rumors of a “liquidity crisis” at Robinhood, but the company insists that those rumors are simply not true.

Meanwhile, the firm has “tapped at least several hundred million dollars” in emergency credit in recent days…

Robinhood Markets, the trading app that’s popular with investors behind this month’s wildest stock swings, has drawn down some of its bank credit lines to ensure it has enough cash to clear trades, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

The firm, according to one of the people, has tapped at least several hundred million dollars, a significant amount of money for a firm that was valued at about $12 billion a few months ago. Robinhood’s lenders include JPMorgan Chase & Co. and Goldman Sachs Group Inc., according to data compiled by Bloomberg. Representatives for Robinhood and those banks declined to comment.

I have a feeling that this story is not going to end well for Robinhood.

But for the retail investors that are changing the course of history, this is truly an amazing time.

Finally, the small fish are standing up for themselves and are fighting back against the big fish, and the big fish have good reason to be quite scared.

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6 thoughts on “Now Reddit Investors Are Talking About Targeting Silver, And That Could Change EVERYTHING”

  1. Ha! Way ahead of the game. I started snatching up silver the day that idiot was inaugurated two weeks ago. Saw the wroring on the wall

  2. Ha! Way ahead of the game. I started snatching up silver the day that idiot was inaugurated two weeks ago. Saw the writing on the wall.

  3. I don’t know that the $82 billion traded is very meaningful, certainly not when compared to annual silver production of $25 billion.

    Dollars and shares can change hands infinitely. It doesn’t mean that those dollars could buy the annual silver production 3 times over. Two people with a buck and a share could trade a share for a dollar 50 times back and forth. It doesn’t mean that they can buy my ounce of silver that’s worth $25 twice over. They only have a dollar.

    The market cap is more meaningful to put it in perspective. GME market cap is about 23 Billion. But even that isn’t very meaningful as there isn’t actually that much trying to buy it. It’s just the last share price times the number of shares. If I bought one share for $1000 it’s market cap would instantly triple. But just because I bought a share for $1000 doesn’t mean anyone else would. It’s just theoretical. It’s just people holding their shares and refusing to sell. If you actually wanted to buy all the shares once people started selling the price per share would come down rapidly. It doesn’t work that way with silver. Annual silver production is actually the real amount that is sold. It’s not just theoretical price on paper.

    The little guys don’t have the money to squeeze the silver market. So much of silver is on paper. Instead of receiving actual physical silver most futures contracts are fulfilled with silver certificates. Basially IOU silver certificates. And they can always print more to cover the shorts. The only way to really squeeze the market would be to demand delivery of physical silver. The smallest contracts are 1000oz, meaning to actually be in a position to demand delivery buyers would need $27,000 as of right now. That’s not going to work with an army of little guys. But hopefully I’m wrong. I’d love to see it happen.

  4. “ Annual silver production is actually the real amount that is sold. It’s not just theoretical price on paper.”

    Is that true? I don’t know but I’m guessing they have “sold” non existent silver. I have no evidence that is the case just a hunch given the shenanigans of the manipulators.

    • As far as I know, the annual silver production should be a count of how much silver is actually produced. That should be based on info from the mining companies of how much there output is.

      But that doesn’t mean that all commodities futures silver trades are actually backed by physical silver. But I can’t say for sure that the annual production numbers aren’t rigged as well. But I would assume they’re more likely to be relatively accurate. CEOs putting out fake accounting numbers would find themselves in hot water for defrauding their investors with fake production numbers.

      While I said before that I don’t think that the Redditors have the cash to move the market, I’m realizing that the entire world is watching and waiting for the next GME move, and ready to get in on the ground floor. So there’s a lot of cash ready to follow their command. My fingers are crossed that it will work.

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